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In this episode of Kyle Talks, we dive into a powerful truth about connection in a divided world: people often judge us by labels; political, religious, etc. before they  know us. But what if kindness and genuine curiosity can break through those walls?

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Kyle shares personal stories and explores how leading with respect and humility, rather than identity or ideology, can open doors to meaningful conversations. We look at why young adults today are craving authentic connection more than ever, and why kindness is not weakness but a radical form of strength.

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She said, you can never be like one of them, a Christian. And I just checked her out and I said, have a good rest of your day, ma'am. Thank you for the compliment. But that's always stuck to me. What do you mean by one of them? Welcome back to Kyle Talks, where I'm Kyle and we talk. Yo, yo, yo, what it do be do be do be do do be do in the streets. How is it going? All you beautiful people. Thank you so much for tuning into another episode of Kyle Talks, a show where you can have conversations with someone who doesn't vote, believe, dress, look, Pray the same as you, and it's still a great conversation. I've really enjoyed this. Guys, you know I like to yap. Before I yap, if this is your first time checking out Kyle Talks, whether you came from social media, the reels, I'm an A1 reel maker. Look, I get it. Those reels are good. I get it. Actually, let me know what you think of those. Wherever you're coming from, Kyle Talks Podcast, if this is your first time, it's all about having conversations. Listening to ordinary people who have done extraordinary things. Hearing their story. Most importantly, it's about having conversations with someone who doesn't look, vote, pray, believe, eat the same as you. And having good conversations. At Kyle Talks, we believe we have lost time. The art of having a conversation. Everything has been so politicized with us Gen Zers. One day we will run the country. One day we're going to lead important decisions. We need to know how to talk and we're changing that here. We're changing that now. So if this is something you want to be a part of, get plugged into great community who can talk. You have found it. You have found it here. Go ahead and review and share that episode. Review it. Give five stars or one star, whatever it is you want to do. Give it that. And if you've been here before, time and time again, thank you for contributing to the conversation and making your voice heard. I'm glad to have you here. We are located in sunny Los Angeles, California, where the wine and the LaCroix flows like. Honey, so please take a seat. The butlers know what you need. They know what kind of drinks you like. I like Pamplemousse, but to each their own. There's all my e-begging out the way. But no, I'd really love for you to join this community. We've had some great conversations with people who are solving cancer, who've lost 500 pounds, voice actors, business owners. Good conversations where we learn how to talk with each other. Successful people. And whatever you want to think success means, find out by listening to those episodes what it means to them. But I'm so glad to have you guys here today. I'm really excited. And also, I want to say, too, before we jump into the gap, thank you guys so much for the most recent love on the Big Beautiful Bill episode. So everyone knows I have two on Kyle Talks. I do the Kyle Talks and I also do Fyconomy where I talk about the finance, your economy. I enjoy talking about those things and I make it. And I give it and deliver it in a way where it's easy to understand, hey, what's going on? That gives you a base level to understand what's happening with your finances because you should know what's happening with your money. And so I just did an episode on the big, beautiful bill that was just passed last week by the current administration. And I've received so much feedback, good, bad, how can it be better? And I just want to say thank you, guys. I can clearly tell there's a passion there. So I appreciate all the feedback I've gotten in regards to the episode. What's new? What's new in Kyle Talks Olandia? Nothing much. I'm grateful. I'm feeling grateful lately. So, like, I just feel grateful. God's good. If this is your first time, I'm a Christian. I don't push that on you. If you're not a Christian, that's totally fine. You know, that's that's up to you. But, you know. My relationship with God feels good, and I see him providing. As you guys know, I'm currently unemployed. Yay, layoffs. Yay. But rent's being paid for. Groceries are paid for. Thank you, Jesus. I'm doing the whole interview thing still. Still interviewing. That's taking some time. Fun, if that's what you want to call that. If you are interviewing, if you have... Done interviews. You have a look for jobs. You know exactly what I mean. So there's that. But I'm really. I know I say this every week, but I mean it. We're growing at the podcast. I was just talking to unofficial producer Rio who this show cannot happen without him. We spent so many hours on the phone brainstorming. Here's what you do. Here's what you could done. Here's some. Ideas for next episode, what's going on, facts checks, our artist. I mean, this show can't happen without Rio. And so I was talking to Rio, and we were just going over statistics as we do, stats, things like that. And in the past seven days of this podcast, we have received 500 downloads. That is insane. I'm used to like 100 downloads. If it's a really good week, 200. You know what I mean? Like the fact we're having 500, people are sharing it. I share those to my stories all the time. So if you want to see these, go ahead and follow me on Instagram or X at Kyle the Horton. But we have people sharing, tagging me. Thank you, guys. You know who you are, who you do it. Thank you, guys, so much. They're stories. Thank you, guys. It's crazy. The reach is happening. And we are... the fastest growing podcast in the world. And you, by sharing and by retweeting, sharing, whatever it is you're doing, leaving a review, you're helping us become the fastest growing podcast. So thank you guys so much. You single-handedly have a hand in that. And if you would continue to contribute for us to still grow, please go ahead and leave a review on wherever you're listening. Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Podify, Podbean. That's... I've never heard a pod mean, if I'm being super honest. But me and unofficial producer Rhea were having a laugh about that. So please leave a review. But what leaving a review does is it lets other people know you like this content. So it will push out the episodes to other people. Say, hey, a lot of people like you, like Kyle Talks, go ahead and maybe you like it too. And that helps us get more people involved in the conversation. Conversations are best when there's two people or more people. We already have at least two people. Let's invite more into this conversation so we can learn. So yeah, thank you guys so much. That's actually really great. Before, you've already seen the title. There's a few new things, actually, since you're looking at the title. I have decided to number my episodes, so it's a little bit easier for me to refer to what episodes I'm speaking of. So today is the first, or this episode, is the first episode that will be numbered, and I believe it's number 156. We've had 155 episodes before this. But going forward for if I economy Kyle talks, et cetera, these episodes will be numbered. Just some critique I've heard from more than one person. And I think it's actually a really good idea. So going forward, these episodes will be numbered. You'll notice that. And I'm excited for that. Before we jump into our boss question, I want to talk about what that is. This podcast is meant for us to have conversations. It's meant for us to have a way to talk to each other. And I would be a sham if I did not have that opportunity for us to have that conversation. So we have something we do before we jump into the main idea of the episode called the BOSS segment. And it's acronym for Before Opening Show. The second S is silent. Sorry if you... Wong, Madeline, you know where I'm going. You, you, like, you, it... If you know, you know. But what this segment for is before we jump into the main discussion, this is just an opportunity for us to have a discussion and speak with each other about literally anything. So if you would like to send in those questions, please send it in to KyleTalksPodcast at gmail.com and put Boss, B-O-S-S in the subject line so it's a little bit easier to find and filter through. With that, we have a... Good one today, and we're going to jump right into our boss segment. Hey, unofficial producer Rio, as every one of these starts, it's always Rio first. Hey, Kyle, I love the podcast and how you keep things real. To be honest, I'm in a weird spot right now because I've been working what I would like to call hard. On something that matters to me, not necessarily a business, but something that represents who I am. And it feels like no one notices. I do share. I talk about it. I don't know you or so you wouldn't see it because you don't follow me. Feels like a jab. I will follow you, though. And it just feels like there's no traction or it feels the traction is slow. And it feels like no one sees it. And it's hard not to feel invisible sometimes. My question is, how do you stay motivated when it feels like nobody's paying attention? I realize you always say you're not like Joe Rogan yet. The yet self-capitalized. I feel like you're not. I know you always say you're not Joe Rogan yet, but it's clearly you're doing something that's growing. So how do you keep showing up or what are some examples of you keeping showing up or even the guests day after day when you're not seeing results? Would love to see your thoughts on this. And there's a little thing. This message comes from Jay, and I currently live in Sacramento. You put that there, so if I wasn't supposed to say that, my fault. But you put it, this message comes from Jay, and I'm from Sacramento. Shout out to Central Valley, for real. Thank you, Jay, for sending in that question, by the way. As you know, I've shared on this podcast, I'm from Fresno, California. So Fresno, Sacramento, Bakersfield, Tulare, Visalia... You know, yeah, I know. I know you've been to Sacramento many times, obviously. Actually gives me some context. That's good. That's good. Thanks for sending in those questions, that question, Jay. And I'm going to be honest. This is just a conversation. This is not boss segments are meant for us to have a conversation. They are not meant to be. Kyle knows everything. He knows the answers to everything. What's the word they use? Like discretion warning or pre-warning, whatever. I can't think of the word right now, but I do not know everything. I am 28 years young. I don't even know what I don't know yet. So I can only, this is a conversation. This is not, there's an answer here. This is a conversation and we share experiences. That's what it is. So you shared with me your experience. I'm gonna share with you my experience. Yeah, it's hard. The... I think, like, I'm going to give you lots of fluff, but I think the first thing's first. You're doing it for yourself. Who cares who sees it? I don't know if you're Christian or not, Jay, but the Lord definitely sees it. God sees it, and he notices. What I want to say is message of the story, do it for yourself. No one else, not a single soul, do it for yourself. And the reason why I say that is I have two experiences. One, this podcast. This podcast started in 2020. And we're we've like barely taken a few baby steps up the stairs. We are growing, which I'm extremely grateful for. But we're still, for all intents and purposes, an extremely small podcast experiencing some growth. So I started this podcast in 2020 because I like talking to people and then I want to talk to more people. And it is during the covid shutdown, everything like that. And it's taken time to get right today. And we're not even like We have not even come close to arriving. The second thing I want to talk about that makes me think of that answer that I've given you is losing weight. So I put my story. If you've listened to other episodes, you've heard it. But for those who are listening for the first time. I used to play collegiate football. I was really fit, 280, muscular. I looked good, to be honest. And I stopped playing football, and I ballooned up to 360 pounds. And I remember one day I looked at that weight and said, I want to be attractive for my wife. I want to take off my shirt at the beach. I want to look like I work out. Because at 360 something, I did not look like I worked out. And I want to look like that. So anyways, I started losing weight for me. Yeah, there's these other things attached to it, but I'm the one who has to sleep in my body. I'm the one who has to do things in my body. My wife doesn't do that. My mom, dad, brother, sister. I'm the one who lives in my body. So I did it for me currently. So my goal is 280 pounds right now. I'm at 326. So I've lost About 40 pounds. But, again, it's just for me. And it took almost two, two and a half, three years to get here. I remember starting. And it took a long time. I'm not even where I want to be yet. But I've had people share love, like, Kyle, you're doing good. I see it every day. I see the posting, you know, this and that. Or, oh, what curls are you doing? Or, like, I see you going. What kind of squats are you doing? I ain't doing nothing different. I'm doing it for me I need to be better than me I have to beat myself that means picking up the pace or doing it with intensity or doing it with purpose and intention then that's for me to do and for you just to see but that's really for me that's not for you and that can come off weird but maybe it can sound selfish but it's true no one can do something for you. No one can want something for you. They can want all they want. It ain't going to happen. You know what I mean? Like you have to want it for yourself. So those two examples make me one. I relate to your question, Jay. Um, and we're just having conversation to hopefully that helps keep that in mind. You're doing it for you. So you said it's like a brand or something, whatever it, I don't care what, honestly, what you're building, but whatever it is, you have to do it for you, Jay. You can't do it for anyone else. So, um, Hopefully that's at least what I've experienced in my own personal life. So if that helps in any kind or way, let me know. And also DM me. I want to follow you and see what you're doing and maybe share it as well. Please let me know. But thank you for sending that question, Jay. I hope that conversation was helpful. If you guys would like to send in your own questions, conversation starters, whatever it may be, send it in to KyleTalksPodcast at gmail.com. and put Boss B-O-S-S in the subject line. We got a big episode. You've heard the spoiler. You've heard the intro. You've heard the hook. Let's jump into it. Yeah, that's a real story that happened. I was a cashier working in 2020. This was during the whole time of like the Biden and Trump The first debate was coming up and I was being I was a cashier at Target and this older, wiser lady came through my line and she was saying like, oh, blah, blah, blah. Christians, Democrats, like she was kind of throwing shade to both sides, mainly Christians. And she was like, oh, you're you're one of the best people I've met. You're so kind. And it gives me hope for the younger generation. You could never be like one of them. I was like, what do you mean by I was like, yeah, what do you mean by them? You know, I was. Twenty two. And she was like a Christian. You can never be like one to bless your heart. And she said bless her heart, which is kind of interesting. And she said other things political, too. But she left, you know, went away. We had a conversation and she left. The whole time we're having that conversation. I'm Christian. You know, and she was saying those things and assumed a lot and. Really, really like. I don't know. That has stuck with me to this day. You're not one of them. Turns out I was one of them the whole time we're having a conversation. Never changed. I was one of them. And that has stuck with me a long time. And we're talking a lot recently about how the conversation dialogue and it's resonating with a lot of people listening to the podcast. And I want to talk about this story. Talk about my thoughts and what I've learned from it, and hopefully it's relevant to you. But the main point, really, if I had to boil everything down, is be a human. Be a decent human being and listen. And who knows, that listening, instead of assuming all these things, I tell unofficial producer Rio all the time, especially during the whole 2020 thing, like, oh, you're Christian, you must love Trump. Okay, like I get why you would say that stereotype because that's what's being showed to you, but that is a very gross overgeneralization, and it's not true for everyone who subscribes to the Christian faith. I'm using Christianity as an example. You put in whatever blank, Republican, Republican, anti-vax, vax, Democrat, doesn't work out or works out and doesn't eat right or whatever the issue or dilemma you want to put in there, you can. It doesn't matter. What matters is the main point about how do we have conversations, really? And it starts with just being a basic, decent, a decent human being and talking with someone. And not assuming and bringing all these things. I've found out if we just talk kindly and not like the weird kind of what people say, woke kind, you know, like people will say woke as if that's a bad thing. The word itself or they'll say like, oh, you're being too nice to be. OK, OK. I guess I understand what you're saying. I see where it's coming from for sure. But at the same time, being kind to people and just being a decent human goes a long way. So let's jump into it. There are some notes and research points that I used for this article for this episode, and they're all in the show notes. Nothing is hidden. I use all these articles in the links. Please check them out for yourself for yourself to read. But we live in a really labeled world. world like and what i mean by that is everyone has a label for something someone does something oh yeah this guy's uh this guy this this guy's a big truck this is like super you know i mean like this guy's a big truck it's white big old wheels oh he's that kind of guy oh please compensate okay or um this is a real story that i've had um that i've seen um A gentleman goes by super tattooed from his head to his toes and a not so nice looking car. Look at that gangster. Well, you could be right. You know, like use. We have these intuitions for a reason. You know what I mean? Like we is to keep us safe. And to avoid certain things. So you definitely could be right. A thousand percent. I'm not saying ignore that completely. Don't. If it's someone that looks scary. You know. Use some caution. These are good feelings. We have them for a reason. But it's like. That could be the nicest guy you've ever met. And I have experience in that. Because my uncle. Uncle dude. Uncle Ninja. He is one of the greatest people I've ever met. But he is tattooed from the top of his head. Like literally tattooed. Like, all across. And I was raised watching him give tattoos. And I really liked that process because of watching him and my aunt give tattoos. I thought it was really cool. And I'm like, just because they have tattoos doesn't mean they're, like, scary. I mean, I guess it can be indicative of it. And we have these emotions for a reason to be cautious. But at the same time... The point is we put people in these boxes. So a 2023 poll found that 71% of adults under 30, which is 90% of this podcast, feel like we are too divided to have productive conversations. 63% of people under 30 also say they're more likely to assume bad intent based on politics, race, religion, gender, whatever it is, what we were just talking about. And these are statistics to prove the stories that we're just sharing. We are kind of engineered by society whether that be parents grandparents whatever it is um to hear something identifying by someone and put them in a box for example that lady at target you could never be like one of them who's them a christian she it was like like imagine like the hard r that's almost like what she's i don't okay i don't know if that makes sense but you get what like it was hard like a christian Okay. Yikes. Like she, she was adding, maybe those things come from experience, but I was not whoever she was deciding. I've actually had just another story to go on with this. I've had many conversations with great people from, and I'm only 28. I'm so grateful for the conversations I've had. I was having a conversation with this one individual and this person said, Wow. You're this person believed. So at one point in time, I did identify with the Republic Party politically. At one point, this isn't this episode is not about politics. This is just about like how where I've come, how I've grown. And so anyways, this was like high school, like fresh into college. At that point of time, I identified with being a Republican. And this individual came up to me and said, For being a Republican, you are one of the most coolest guys, and I don't really understand how you can be a Republican being how cool you are. That happened like my first year, like 2016, like when Trump got elected for the first time. I remember that. I remember sitting in a class where my teacher was like, I don't know if teachers should do this, to be honest, but he was throwing a fit that Trump won. Like he really wasn't being professional in the slightest. He doesn't like Trump. That was fine. I don't care about that. But he was not being professional in the slightest to a bunch of like 18, 19 year olds. So, um, but anyways, I remember someone in that class who now works for the democratic party. Um, she's awesome. Um, was telling me that like, oh yeah, you, you're a Republican. You're so cool. The whole point of that is I identify differently now. Um, I have different ideas, more broader ideas on certain things, but the point of that is there's a lot of these labels tied, uh, to this name, whatever it may be. Gay, straight, trans, Christian, Democrat, Republican. You pick the title. But there are so many labels that she's like, oh, you actually don't fit in that label. But you say you're that label, but you actually don't fit. A lot of people will jump to, maybe you're mislabeling yourself. Or maybe you are actually this and not this. Maybe you don't understand. My counter-argument would be as follows. Maybe you're the one who doesn't understand. Maybe you're the one who's thinking about these labels and wanting to put on people. Maybe you aren't the one thinking. Maybe you aren't the one actually applying critical thinking. And I think there's something there. What do we take from all this? What do we see from all this? Agreeing, hearing someone speak. does not mean agreement. Understanding someone's point of view, hearing where they're coming from, their thoughts, whatever, thoughts on literally whatever. Like Call of Duty, Modern Warfare 3 was better than World War, which it is. I'm hearing these things like, why do you get that? How do you get there? And just because you say, oh, I understand, or oh, I see, doesn't mean you agree. We have to divorce these two. If agreement does not... Being kind and hearing someone, understanding someone does not inherently mean agreement. I'm getting passionate a little bit here. It could. It most certainly could. It's a possibility. It's in the realm of what's real. But just understanding someone and being kind and polite and a basic, decent human being and listening to them and understanding their POV does not mean agreement. Being polite, being kind does not mean you're soft. I hear this a lot because of football and other things. Oh, you're a softie for listening to someone? Oh, you're soft. You're not going to challenge them. You're a soft guy. Brother in Christ, this is a conversation. Let me refer back to the previous episodes, cancel culture to conversation culture. Not everything needs to be a debate brother or sister in Christ. Not everything needs to be this. I need to stand in attention and give you a laundry list of why I believe in what I know. And if you're having dialogue with someone who believes like that, you live in a great country where you can choose not to have that conversation with them. You know what I mean? Like you don't have to, if someone honestly is, and I've met individuals who believe like, oh, you just said this in this casual conversation. Now all of a sudden we're in a debate and I need the, there are people out there like that. If someone subscribes to that belief, I personally believe that's wrong and that's not okay. You don't have to talk with them. Again, you're being kind. Hey, I appreciate that, but this isn't really like the time or place for this. Um, we can talk about it some other time, maybe over coffee, but right now I'm not trying to give a dissertation on whatever it is, I believe. And that's okay. People will say that soft. Oh, you're soft. No, it's not. It's being a intellectual, logical human being. You see the person and not their label. That's what we need to start doing. Um, Ideas to support everything we just talked about. A 2022 Harvard study on polarization, which is linked in the show notes, and I found this interesting, found that interpersonal connection reduces, this is a big word, ideological distrust by over 40%, even if neither person changes their belief. 2022 is about three years old, but what is found is amazing. And it supports everything you and I have been saying these past five minutes or however long it's been on this topic. Understanding with someone is not agreement. It could be usually time. Most time it's not. And what this means, interpersonal connection reduces ideological distrust by over 40%. You know what? I understand. For example, one of my best, and I've used this example before, but it fits perfectly. One of my best friends today, to this day, um, At that point in time, he's like, all cops are bastards. They shouldn't be trusted. They are disgusting. They're pigs. A cab, I believe, was the word. Things like that. And obviously, I didn't agree. But in that moment, I was like, share with me why. Oh, you've seen family members get killed by the police. Oh, every time you've heard run, like get away. What did you see on the news in all of 2020? It actually makes sense that you would think that. I may disagree, but can I blame you for even thinking that? And to this day, he's one of my best friends I've ever had. I love this man. Do you see what I'm saying? Do you get the point of what I'm trying to say here? There was an ideological gap, I would say, in that relationship at that time, but I knew that person. I knew what they were saying. I knew where they were coming from. That doesn't mean we agreed. That does not mean I'll say that one more time. I understood where they're coming. I knew the person. I knew their life story. I knew where they were coming from. I understood it. It doesn't mean we agreed. But you know what? Based on that, I can't. I can't fault you. And there can be more conversations that happen on. whatever so-called what is right, what is wrong. There can be more conversations that be had from that point on. But in that point, you know what? I understand. Understanding does not erase differences. I want you to hear me. Understanding does not erase differences. It just makes room for a relationship. It makes room to lower your distrust by 40% statistically speaking. We don't want to lead with labels anymore. And I want you to imagine this, wherever you are. Imagine if I, Kyle, walked into every conversation with, I waved at you, smiled. Hi, I'm Kyle. And here's what I believe about everything. Here's what I believe about X, Y, Z. And I just met you. What are you going to think? I'm not even going to say what you're thinking because you're probably thinking a lot of... You know what I mean? Imagine someone you just met. Hi, I'm an official producer. Rio, here's what I believe about everything. Whoa. That's not connection. That's not interpersonal connection that reduces ideological distrust by over 40%. That's performance. People, and in my experience, maybe I'm wrong on this, people want to feel safe They want to know how you made them feel. You ever heard the old thing? People will remember how you made them feel, not what you said. It's said a lot, but there's something to it. They want to feel safe. They want to know how you make them feel before they know what you stand for, before they even care. Trust is earned through character, not certain belief systems. People... And again, this is a psych insight. The link is down below, but it has been noticed in 2023, people tend to respond to warmth before competence. People respond to warmth. People respond to relationships before ideas. A long established finding in leadership and psychology, you have to build rapport before you build influence. That's literally psych 101. Like, I didn't go to school for psych, but you see what I mean? What I want to say, what does that mean? There's power in being known. There's power of being known. I'm not talking about some, like, super famous, oh, you're known by everyone, everyone loves you. Power of just, oh, yeah, that's Kyle. Oh, yeah, that's, oh, yeah, that's Emily. Oh, yeah, that's Matthew. Oh yeah, that's Sarah. Oh yeah, that's Annie. That's Gilbert. That power of being known goes so much further. It needs to be psychologically and statistically speaking, that needs to be introduced first and foremost before any of your ideas or what you believe can even become close to being understood. Remember, the goal is not to agree. The goal is to be understood. When people experience you as a person, your identity, they're likely to rethink biases. You become a living, I like this, look, I like this word. You become a living contradiction. The stereotype they hold about whatever it is, about whatever stereotype. They know you. Oh, I know Kyle. He thinks of this. Kyle's a great guy. He made me feel good. Nice guy. He brought me food. You know what? He says he's Christian. Maybe I've thought about Christians wrong.

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Oh, I love this guy.

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Oh, he hates cops and thinks they should all die.

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Wait, I know this person. I actually understand why they would think that. Because I know them. I'm not just hearing their ideologies. I know them as a person. You know what? That makes sense. There's trust there. I may not agree, but man, I'd be lying if I didn't say I understood. People will call you different so many times. Using this, what we're talking, what we're discussing today, people will call you different. But they're actually saying underneath that, oh, you're actually different. You made me feel safe. I understand who you are. And I actually wasn't expecting that. And that's where the bridge starts. You're not like them. Oh, wait. You actually are them. Wait a minute. But I know you. And I know this is what this certain whatever idea thinks. And there's that bridge. Getting formed. You see what I'm trying to paint here? The picture I'm trying to show you? What do we do with all this information? We took... We talked about building connection, letting them know who you are, building trust, and then understanding. What do we do with all this? Go into a conversation with curiosity about the person. Oh, man, Jim, this guy is so cool. He's like the best at volleyball. And his wife is really cool. Or, oh, yeah, Samantha. Samantha is so cool. And her wife is really cool, too. You know, they can cook up a green bean casserole like no one else can, and they're so homely. You see what I'm trying, you understand them as a person. So you're leading with that. Lead with interpersonal connection, not with ideologies. You want, that's one. Two, choose relationships over reactions. Build that relationship and don't build reactions. Three, ask those questions. Oh, what? How did you get there? Why do you think all cops are bastards? How do you get there? Why? I'm just curious, why? Instead of, what side are you on? Do you believe this or that? And ask, why do you believe that? What made you think that? Let their values, let your values come through your actions. This is a quote from the last episode. You don't there is there's a time and a place for a debate. Not every conversation is a debate. You just have to show up as a person and let your life speak. And then maybe if you're like Christian, like myself, life speaks to that or whatever it is you're thinking of. Let that speak for that. So what I want you to take away. I want you to take all the information. Maybe we're listening to this episode if you have to. But if this spoke to you and said, hey, I do that, or hey, that's been done to me, or ooh, I've done both of those things. I see both sides. I've been on both sides of this. I want you to stop giving people a label. I want you to give them a chance as a person. Break out of the habit of, oh, you're one of them. There's a tag, tag, boom, tag, boom, tag, boom, tag, boom, tag. Break out of that habit. I'm inviting you right now to lead with relationship, to start with relationship. Debates, who's right, that can all come later. We're just starting with a relationship. Not weakness, not silence, but a relationship. In 2025, conversation is radical. Guys, I hope you enjoyed the episode. That's everything I have to say. I hope you got something good out of it. My goal is for us to have conversations and lead with personal connection, lead with relationships. And I believe this is based on data, science and personal experiences that I'm pretty sure you can connect with as well. I think that's where it starts. Conversations. I believe it starts. Not labeling them, but understanding individuality. You're not like them, but you're an individual person. What do you think? How did you get there? Start with the relationships. That's what we're building at Kyle Talks. We're having conversations with people who don't look, vote, dress, eat, pray the same, and we still have conversations. Great conversations. If you enjoyed this conversation or you got anything out of it, Please, please help us review the podcast. I'm saying again, review the podcast. It helps us grow. It helps us push the podcast out so more individuals can see it and invite more to this conversation. If you would like to support the podcast, have more conversations like that. Every dollar made from Patreon goes back into the podcast. It's making it as best as it can be. Those links are in the description. The articles I use for data points are also in the description. Check them out for yourself. And I'm happy with what we're building. At Kyle Talks, we are the best podcast to exist and we're building something great. We're making conversation cool again. We're having personal conversations again. All that in mind, one person hung up on the cross for you because he loved you and could never imagine a world without you. Jesus could never imagine world without you. So we died for you. You guys enjoyed. Thank you guys so much. And I'll see you guys next time. I'm by economy. Peace.