(#160) Chatting With You: Open Minds, Hot Takes, and The Broken System We’re In

In this special listener-driven episode, Kyle dives into three standout questions that hit hard and get real:

💬 Topics Covered:

• The daily grind vs. the broken system – Is capitalism working for anyone anymore?
• Staying open-minded in hard conversations – How Kyle keeps the walls down during disagreements.
• Platforming vs. endorsing – How the show handles controversial guests and draws the line.

These aren’t surface-level chats, expect candid answers, some hard truths, and the usual yap. Whether you’re juggling three jobs or just trying to keep your cool in tough conversations, this episode’s for you.

📨 Listener Questions On:

• hustle culture and capitalism fatigue
• how to stay open without getting defensive
• balancing empathy and accountability with guests

💌 Got a question for the show? 

- Email Kyle and Unofficial Producer Rio at KyleTalksPodcast@gmail.com—we read every one.

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Transcript

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Welcome back to Kyle Talks, where I'm Kyle and we talk. Yo, yo, yo, what a doobie doobie doo, doobie doo, doo, doo, doo. That's a lot of news in these streets. How's it going, my friends from all around the globe? How's it going? How you doing? How you doing? How's the kids? How's the wife? How's the husband? Oh, foreclosure? That's not something. Okay, I need to relax. What is going on, everyone? How you doing? Welcome back to another episode of Kyle Talks, where I'm Kyle and we talk. I am so excited to have you guys here. It's a beautiful Saturday. It's not Saturday, but it's beautiful for me. When you're listening to this, if this episode comes out on a Saturday, I'm recording it on a Tuesday. So should I say that? Like, should I tell you guys? I don't think that I don't know. I could. OK, I'm recording this on Thursday. I'm doing the wrist face. You can't see it. I don't know why I'm doing that face, but I am doing that face. So. Take that with what you want, but I'm in a good mood. I'm in a very good mood as I try to stay. I try to have a good mood all the time. I try. But guys, anyways, we're losing the plot here. How you doing? How you doing? How's it going? How's it going? First things first, if this is your first time listening to Kyle Talks, welcome. Welcome in, please. Welcome to sunny Los Angeles, California. We're the White Claw and the Croy. They flow like honey. I like Pamplemousse. I got Lemoncello Pamplemousse. Kind of goes crazy, but hey, whatever you like, we got. This is a podcast focused entirely on people who having conversations with someone who doesn't believe the same, look the same, vote the same, pray the same, eat the same, and still having a good conversation and enjoying that conversation and learning. And honestly, we hear a lot of stories about extraordinary people Or we hear a lot of stories about ordinary people, everyday people like you and me doing extraordinary things. These are the kind of things that come up in chats where you're not weird. It's really good conversation. We don't know how to talk to each other. Let's learn how to talk to each other again. And I'm really excited about that. So that sounds like something you're into. You have found the right. This place is for you. You have found a home. Please come on in. And if you've been here before. Hey, I'm dapping you up. What's up? How you doing? I got whatever you like, we got on tap. Whatever your favorite White Claws is on tap, we got you. Whatever you need, welcome back, welcome back. But yeah, this is all a place about having conversations with people who literally believe the opposite of you on almost everything. And then, man, we're building a great community. On that note, we're, I mean... We're growing. For all of us, no matter what we believe in. I don't care if you're Christian, Muslim, Mormon. It doesn't matter if you disagree. That's actually the whole point. I want you to disagree because we've got to learn how to talk to each other. Gay, straight, trans, left, right, middle, green party. Doesn't matter. Whatever you are. The more things we... What does Ferris Bueller say? Isms. The more isms we have, the more belief systems. Oh, yeah. That's the good stuff. I want disagreements. Doesn't mean everything is truth, but it does mean we're willing to have conversations. And that's what our goal is here. And we're growing. We're inviting more people into the conversation. So guys, thank you for that. On that topic in the speaking of growth, I need your help to help grow the show. Please leave a review on wherever you're listening. I know a lot of people use pod poor or poor pod. I literally didn't even know about that until like two weeks ago. Talked about it on my Twitter and Instagram. So please follow me there. I've been posting some 10 out of 10 reels lately. I think you'll like them. So check those out and share those. But yeah, we're having some good conversations on social media sites. Check those out. Follow me at KyleTheHorton. And leave a review. Share the podcast. Tell some friends about it to get them involved in this community. That's really... the ultimate goal here and we're growing so I'm it's kind of crazy this I started this podcast 2020 didn't really care about it didn't really focus on it here we are in 2025 we have some steam we have some steam which is crazy to think about um and it's thanks to you guys this community we're building is awesome really I appreciate it thank you guys so much um I know I usually yap Like if you're this is your first time here. So before I even get into the show, I just yap. It's one of my favorite things to do. And I got nothing really to yap about. Here. OK, this is not going to be like a full on yap session. But I will say if you're at the gym, you're already bettering yourself. You're already at the gym. Most people never even step foot inside of a gym. So good on you. Just put up your freaking weights when you're done, man. It's common courtesy. Have some self-respect and have some respect for others and just put up your way. I'm so sick of I go to my local gym and people just leave weights out. Brother, do you have no kind of home training? Sister, do you have no kind of home training? What are we talking about here? Pick up the weights, put them back. You're not as strong as you think you are. I don't care how much weight you think you're doing. If you're not putting weights back properly after you're finished with them, you're at least 65% weaker than what you show, at least. That's a minimum. So put back your freaking weights. Rant over. I've been ranting about that because it's very annoying. But yeah, you guys know I'm on my gym arc, weight loss arc. Um, yeah, just put back the freaking weights. That's all. Please. That's all I got to do. That's all I got to yap about today. Just get that off my chest. Um, with that, you guys have already seen the title. You know what this is about. Um, so we do things every once in a while called boss every once in a while, every episode. Um, it's called before opening show. So before we get into our main topic of the day, we take viewer listener submitted questions and we talk to them. This podcast is all about having communication. This podcast is all about talking to people. So if I didn't have something like that, I would be a sham, a charlatan, a scam artist. So we have. And you can send those questions into kyletalkspodcast.gmail.com. Put boss, B-O-S-S in the subject line for us to have those conversations. This is a good problem. We have more than a couple of these questions being sent in. So I do a new little bit called chatting with you and these are probably some of my favorite episodes where there's a lot of questions and I want to get through them because I want to have a conversation so I'll just read three of them and we'll have a conversation we'll talk about it and this whole segment boss questions the chatting with yous all of this is a focus on just talking imagine we have some Pamplemousse LaCroix is in our hand. We're just talking. I'm 28 years young. I don't know what I don't know yet. I'm still ignorant of a lot of things. I'm still learning. So this, I do not have it. Let me be clear. Kyle, who is recording this, I do not have it all figured out. I am still learning in life. I'm just starting life. I graduated college three years ago. So I'm learning life. It doesn't mean I know nothing. But that means I'm ignorant of what I don't know. So these are really an opportunity for us to talk like homies, just talk like friends. Hey, I have this financial stuff or hey, how how do I how should I talk to people? How should I talk to my family members? My girls really got whatever trip. It's just an opportunity for us to have a conversation. So if you'd like to send in your questions to be read, send them into kyletalkspodcast.gmail.com and put Boss, B-O-S-S in the subject line. Today, that's the entirety of the episode. So I've picked out three questions that I've gone through, and I've gotten unofficial producer Rio's opinion on one of them. And we'll go forward, and it's just us having a chat. So before we get jumped in, before we get started, make sure your volume is at a good volume. Good listening volume. If you're driving, running, whatever, make sure you can hear other things going on. Be safe and strap in because we got some good questions from you, the listeners. Let's jump right into them. We got our first question of three coming in from Jordan. Jordan, if this is the Jordan that I'm friends with that does like podcast or he does like card selling and stuff, you're goaded. We went to high school. So I'm not sure. This could not be that Jordan. But you lost. If this is, you lost a ton of weight, man. I'm inspired by you. And you're really on that grind. And I see it. I like all your stuff. Yeah, man. You keep doing. If this is the right Jordan. If not, then I guess take everything back. I'm just kidding. This question comes in from Jordan. And let's read it. It says, hey, Kyle and unofficial producer Rio. I'm a big fan of what you're doing. Real conversations are super rare, especially now. It's usually one way or the other. But not only that, it's cool to hear them done with respect. I have heard some takes that you personally have given that I don't necessarily agree with, but you always hold your values and what you think with respect and dignity and not like you know it all. So I have to appreciate that. as well as your guests as well. W, thanks, Jordan. I appreciate it. But I've got to ask, how do you personally stay open-minded when talking to someone you disagree with? I try to be open in my own life, but I get defensive fast, especially when it feels like someone's challenging my core values. It sucks. Is there tricks I'm not aware of? Are there some kind of mental tricks or are there some kind of mindsets that you use to keep those walls down to stay as cool as a cucumber? Keep doing what you're doing. This show gives me hope. Oh, man, that. Yeah. It's just crazy to see how far we've come and we're still going. So thank you. That last part, the show gives you hope. Amen. You might have a YN tearing up on the podcast, dude. I appreciate you, brother. I really do. If this is the Jordan I'm thinking of, man, we got to do a collab because I think you got some things to say and I want to hear them. If this is not. Thanks for listening. I don't know. OK, let's jump into. So you talk about. Really, the question here. Well, I mean, you say what the question is, how to stay open minded when talking to someone you disagree with. You know, I've had great mentors in my life. As you may know, as you know, since you listen to the episodes and if this is your first time here, you don't know. But I am an open Christian. I believe Jesus lived. He was a real person. I believe he was God. And I believe he died on that cross. And three days later, he rose and died. Through Jesus is the only way to the Father to gain access into heaven and eternal life. I believe those things. If you don't, that's cool. Like, that's no problem whatsoever. I want us to disagree. There's only one source of truth, but that doesn't mean we can't have conversations. Side note done. With that said, and the reason why I bring that up, Kyle, why are you saying that? The reason why I bring that up is you say here, like, I get defensive fast, especially when I feel like someone's challenging my core beliefs, my core values. So why I said that Christianity, I would definitely believe is a core value of mine. I, you know, I believe it. I believe through and through Jesus was real. I do believe those. And when someone says, oh, he's not real or some like mean things like really mean things. I've had to learn because, I mean, we live in I live in America where it's not exact. I want to be choose my words this time. The country is itself is very open to religious expression. But there if you tell people believe in Jesus, they ascribe all these things to you that, you know, whatever. They're usually not positive things. And they say they see like, oh, you're the worst, the worst, blah, blah, blah. Fill in the blanks. I'm sure you can fill in the blanks. Maybe that's you. You never know. You never know. Maybe you listening to it might do that. I don't know. I'd love to have a conversation with you. But that I identify that very closely is like that defines me. And what I have to do is realize I'm a human as well. And I'm trying to understand like there is a reason it's called faith. It's like you could be wrong about something like I think there's evidence. I'm hopefully you're trying to get. Hopefully you're getting what I'm trying to say. There's evidence for Christianity. There's no proof, but there's evidence for it. And I think there's humility to say I could be wrong. Now, a lot of people may say, oh, God, I don't think I'm wrong. Let me be very clear. I don't think I'm wrong, but I could be. And that's why I'm open to having these conversations. Like, what do you say? Is there something I'm missing? Maybe is there something I'm not seeing? Do I have to understand something? Because I believe wholeheartedly that truth. can stand up to scrutiny. I don't, whatever truth is, truth is not subjective. I, sorry if that, I would love, if you disagree, I would love to have a conversation, but truth by definition is exclusive. So I think that truth can stand up to scrutiny. People trying to, whatever it is, it doesn't have to be religion. It could be literally anything. It really doesn't matter. It could be anything. But that like, it can stand up to scrutiny. If it can't stand up to scrutiny, is that really a truth? So that's kind of what I was like, hey, like everyone has their life experience. I want to listen to it. I want to hear it. Maybe they've seen and experienced something I haven't seen. Maybe they've heard something I haven't heard. Maybe they said something I haven't said. Maybe they thought something I haven't thought. So really, how do you keep how do you stay open minded? How do you keep those walls down? Because the second you get defensive, you can't have a conversation. You can't be defensive and have a conversation, a true, like a productive conversation. Just not possible, right? Can't do it. So I don't know about any mental tricks or nothing, but like mindsets that help you keep the walls down is like, hey, I poop, pee, get sick, get the flu, throw up. So do they. Maybe this is an opportunity for us to learn from each other. Doesn't mean you will every time. Doesn't even mean you'll agree with them. And that's fine. You don't need to. You don't need to agree with them. Like I said, truth is exclusive. This isn't a podcast about agreeing on everything. This is a podcast about just talking to people. Just having that conversation. Because a lot gets lost when you don't have those conversations. So what's a good mindset? I want to learn from you. And if you don't want to say that, I want to say this. I want to hear from you. I want to understand your point of view. Even though what I may agree, I may disagree. Who knows? I just want to understand it. And not learning to separate. Like today's day and age, and this is one thing, people attack people and not the ideas. It should be the opposite. They're a person who's had their experiences. They think this. Whatever you think of that, sure. But I need to attack the ideas. Oh, you believe the earth is flat or you believe there's a Jesus or you believe the moon is a transformer, whatever it is. Right. It's getting a little bit ridiculous at the end, but it's like, oh, OK, you're a human. You're not above. You're not under the influence right now. So we can have a conversation that's kind of productive. What do you what do you think? Why do you think those things? I want to understand. I may not agree, but I want to understand. And maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm missing something. I think that's just answer your question. The mindset is maybe I'm wrong on something. Maybe I haven't heard something or maybe I just want to understand. Maybe I just want to understand. So it's a skill. It does not happen over time. I'm still perfecting it myself, but it's definitely a skill you have to learn and manage. So thanks, Jordan, for saying this question. I really appreciate you. If you're the Jordan I'm thinking of. Please reach out. Let's have a conversation. Let's go on to question. Let's go to boss question number two of the day. And you'll notice there's a theme to all these questions. The last question is really good. Stick around for the last question. This question comes from Jess. I'm not going to say your last name. This is not Rio's Jess. This is not unofficial producer Rio's wife. I'm not going to say the last name because that feels kind of doxing. But it's coming from Jess. Hey, Jess. How's it going? Is that like short for Jesse? You don't have to tell me. I'm just curious. Let's continue. Hey, Kyle Talks and hello, extreme. Hello, Supreme Leader Rio. Unofficial producer Rio. I sent him this and okay, he's not a super. Okay. First things first, guys. Rio is the unofficial producer. This is the Kyle Talks, not unofficial. I'm just saying. I'm getting a little jealous. I'm just saying. I'm just being serious. Let's continue. Supreme leader. That's actually insane. Did you just watch the interview or the internship or the interview, whatever it is? Anyways, let's continue. I really respect the way you talk to all kinds of people, even ones that might be considered controversial. or hard to agree with. This is a very well put together. There's a paragraph break and everything in this. Thank you though, Jess. But I would imagine not everyone loves that, i.e. that guy that you say always DMs you on Instagram. That's true. That guy, I think he has to be a meme. There's no way he's that serious. Let's continue. With that said, do you ever get for having certain guests on your platform? And how do you draw the line between listening to someone and endorsing what they say? That's really good. It's something I've been thinking about a lot lately and I'd love to hear your take. Keep on keeping on. Thanks, Jess. This is a really good question. I really like this question. I mean, you see there's a theme here. Yeah, I love talking to all kinds of people. Thank you for saying that. I literally, even though I may disagree with Um, whoever, maybe I just disagree. Like, doesn't matter. I actually, I want to disagree. I think that makes good content one. Um, and a good conversation. I think a good conversation is content. And I think I've had lots of those. Um, yeah, I love, I'm a people person. If you haven't noticed, I love talking to people and I think there's a lot of wisdom in what people say. Um, whether or not you want to agree with it or not, I think there's something I think there's something, something. That listens to the podcast. Thank you for listening. And he just will message me the most troll things. I'm not going to repeat like all the time. But he references the episode. So he's listening and he hears it. Or maybe he puts the podcast through some kind of AI reader or something. I don't know. I mean, I don't know what he's doing. But yeah, it's been like two years since. So I don't think he's a troll anymore. I just think he does it for jokes because there's no way you hold up the same bit for years. So anyways, I think that's pretty. Yeah, him and a lot of other people, I've said things like personally, and I've talked about this. I don't believe in BLM. I think it's a sham, a charlatan, a ruse. And I've gone back and forth on that throughout the years. And that's currently where I'm at. I've had people not like that. I said that. Um, so I mean, Hey, it is what it is. Let's have a conversation. So yeah, you're right. Now everyone loves that, but I want to get to your main question. Do you ever push back for certain guests? Um, no, I've never gotten pushed back for a certain guest. To be honest, I've had pushback for things that guests have said like one. Well, I said it when I believe the skinny surgery, um, it does nothing for you. And I'll believe that to the day I die. Um, Of course, that's a case by case. That's not a blanket statement. So I said that I got pushback for that. And another piece of pushback I got recently was when I had Alec on the show and we talked about certain foods being able to like curb or help certain diagnoses. A lot of people didn't like that. So I have not on a guest particularly. And I agree with both of those things, by the way. And I just know. But here's what I really want to get towards. And here's where I think the gold of your question is. So, no, I've never had certain pushback for platforms, only ideas or guests, only ideas. Here's what I get. You said, how do you draw the line between listening to someone and endorsing what they say? That bingo. If you're a casino, all the lights would be going off right now. This is the question. This is the hundred million trillion bajillion dollar question. question that has gotten lost in society. And that question right there that you asked, Jess, is the reason why this podcast exists. And you'll notice this was kind of hinted at the previous question a little bit, but I'll repeat what I said in the last question for this one a little bit. Truth is by definition exclusive. This is not a podcast about agreeing. With everyone, your conversations with people, let me make this about you, people listening, you having conversations with other people is not you agreeing. We have fell into some kind of, we have fell into a fallacy. I'm talking to this person, I'm sitting down, we're having a LaCroix, White Claw, whatever it may be. People will think we agree. What you are applying is zero of the critical thinking skills in your brain that the good Lord gave you. Just sitting down with people, having a conversation by no means by not even by definition means you agree. It means you're sitting down and you're willing to have a conversation to learn. We're not talking about agreeing. We're just talking about having a conversation. That's the line you don't. Oh, I'm listening. Let's use me, for example, someone who heavily supports BLM. Let's say that. I'll listen to them. They'll tell me why they'll give me all these reasons. But does that mean I endorse what they say? No, but, but, and here's the big, but this is big, big, but big, huge biggest, but they've ever, sorry, eyes. I'm trying to get my Trump impression down big. Okay. Anyways, here's the big, but, but just listening to someone doesn't mean you agree and it doesn't mean you endorse them. But it means you understand where they're coming from. That's what we're missing into today's society so badly. We have lost the art of conversation. We have lost what it means to sit down and just understand. Understanding does not equal agreement. Listening to someone does not listen to agreement. If I sit down and hear someone talk about how they want to rob a bank, I will go and tell someone. I will for sure tell someone like, hey, maybe you shouldn't do that. And they're going to say, are you in? Brother in Christ, I am not in. I disagree. I reject that. And I actually actively think you should not. I will actively stop you from doing that by getting the authorities involved. You see, do you see the picture? Hopefully that paints the picture. You're seeing the picture I'm trying to paint here. Just because you listen to someone, just because you listen to someone talk about robbing a bank and their plan doesn't mean you agree or you're going to take part into that. Same thing. Just because someone agrees or disagrees with whatever it is, you don't. Doesn't mean you are. What it does mean, though, is you understand. Oh, OK. I disagree. But man, I get it. At least I get it. At least I'm not just saying I disagree and moving on with your life. Why would you ever do that? You're not even using the critical thinking skills the good Lord gave you when you do that. You're not even thinking about, you're just, oh, I disagree. Next, you're a loser. Next, what? We have lost, that is, so that is the million dollar question, Jess. The line is, people think there's a line to be drawn. There's not. For some reason in this society, we say that listening to someone is endorsing what they say. We have not fallen farther from the truth. Just because I listen to someone doesn't mean I agree or endorse them. But what it will do is I understand what they're saying. So that was a long-winded answer, but I don't even think there's a line there, to be honest. And I could be wrong. I will come out later if I am wrong, and I will say I am wrong if I am wrong. I will say that. But there's no line there. We, as a society, made it seem like there's a line there. Oh, it's because I listen to someone. I agree with what they say. Just because you listen to something don't mean you agree. That's ridiculous. That's ludicrous. But... It does mean you understand, and you can do a lot with that. You can do a lot with that. Thanks so much, Jess, for sending in that question. Let's jump into our final question, which I'm really looking forward to. Our next question comes from a good, good friend. I'm not going to name drop here because I know this person. They're an amazing individual. So let's talk about it. This person's great, by the way. I love this person. They really are a good person. I know this person. They're a good person. Let's jump into it. Have I said that enough? Has person started to lose its meaning yet to you? I don't know. Let's go through. It says, Ayo, here's a rant. Kyle and semi-pro unofficially goaded production manager Rio. You might have to change his name to that. That's pretty good. I don't know. Let's jump right into it. There's a lot here, so let's jump right into it. How do we feel about the daily grind of life? This may become a financial episode, but I feel like it's a strange time we live in. Amen, brother. I'm from SoCal, and it seems like most people I know work two to three jobs just to live. As a fellow Sokalian, true. Mind you, these are people not living lavish lives. Continued, I'm also working multiple jobs and playing the capitalist game. But deep down, if you ask my opinion of it all, I feel like it's a broken system. Amen. That we have here. We work to live and live to work. How do we change the system? This is such, such a good question. good question i'm gonna go piece by piece um but first um i don't have a recording of rio's voice but we did talk about this um and here's what he says um of course too this is not a recording i wish i would have grabbed a recording but we were just on the phone but as we were talking we were having this conversation and i was writing down notes and i told him I'm going to say these out loud. So it's not a recording. Unfortunately, I work on getting that because I think that would be super valuable. But here's what Rio says. This is just all of it. So it's going to jump around. First and foremost, you can't change the system. That doesn't mean that it that like the issues with us. We agree. I agree that the system is rigged. But unfortunately, you can't change it. No matter who you voted for, you can always do, do, do and do all the things that you think are right. But you cannot. This guy is smart. But you cannot change the system unless you are Trump or unless you are a Biden, in which case, please change the system. This guy is smart. He continues. This is out of our control. So someone really doesn't like what he lives in SoCal, too, by the way. This is out of our control. It may suck as someone who is from SoCal. But maybe moving, if it's completely financial, maybe moving's an option. Getting out, I do agree, the system sucks in SoCal, and we most certainly do live to work. I underline this, does indeed suck. With that said, Rio continues, and these are just like paraphrases, right? This isn't really what he's, like, it's a paraphrase. He says, you have to make it work for you. He doesn't work the most glamorous job, Whoa, you mean you don't like working at Kyle Talks for negative$12 a month? What? What are you saying? You have to make it work for you. I work a job that I wouldn't say I necessarily love, but man, do I do enjoy it. And I think it's meaningful. So my suggestions would be having to find a meaningful job. There it is. That's a Rio's notes. He said a lot more, but that's just what I caught, but that's what he says. And there's some of his notes as well. Um, yeah, I mean, I, I agree pretty much bar for bar with what Rio said. I think it's ultimately in the eye of the beholder. That doesn't mean the system sucks, right? Like I feel like you'd have to be a super rich guy to say it doesn't suck, you know, to be honest. Um, But the system clearly sucks. You do have to work two to three jobs. And you're right. I know we don't we're not probably talking about the same people, but I know people as well working two, three jobs to live. And it's not lavish. They're just living. I'm sure we all know people like that. And that's unfortunate. The system sucks. I would say what Rio says is right. Do the things that we think is right. Voting, whatever rallies, whatever it is. Um, that you think will make the system better. We have to do that because then if we don't do that, we're just complaining. You know what I mean? Uh, I think like, yeah, if we don't, if we believe something is wrong, but we don't really stand up for it, you're just complaining. You'd like to complain. That's all that is truthfully. That's all that is. Um, And yeah, I, that's, I think, yeah. And the daily grind of life. So that's how I feel about like the system, the system sucks. The system is not good. The system is genuinely terrible. Point blank period. All those other things. But I want to talk about daily grind of life. That's what I think is in the eye of the beholder. That's what I think can change person to person. I know that sounds super cheesy and cliche. I get it. Trust me. I trust me. I get it. But I really think how do you how are you viewing it? We we only live for seventy nine years, seventy five. If we're lucky, if we're lucky, we make it that long in life. You know what I'm saying? So does it what? Would it be purposeful to say I hate my life and go through your life hating it? No, it's not going to do anything for you. No, it's just going to make you more depressed and hate your life. But even though that those things may be true and valid, we only got 75 summers. We only got 75 winters, 80 if we're lucky. I think the average lifespan is 79 now. That's the average lifespan. Shout out MS. You know, I'll hopefully. Yeah. Anyways, it's like, how do you view it? I think is really like. You could hate it. And if you do hate it, do it. We have to do what Rio says. Like we have to find something else that's at least more meaningful. You're only here for 70 or 70 plus years. That's about it. When you put things in that perspective. Maybe it's time we need to find something else. And yes, you know, rent bills. I get that. It's a part of it. But there has to be a middle ground. There has to be. There's so many people who are successful. And what I mean by successful is they're making it and they can go on vacation once a year. They're not super strapped for cash all the time. That's I don't mean successful as total followers. The gorgeous life, all this bling blow. That's not what I mean. I mean, if someone who can. Actually get by. Comfortably. Of course, they can have more money. Of course. Of course, they can have... Of course. You can always have more money, more fame, more influence, power. You can always. But someone who's getting by comfortably, even if you have$0 in your account at the end of the week, but all your bills are paid, I don't know. That tells me you're successful, and it tells me you kind of care. Anyway, so, yeah, I think it's in the eye of the beholder. And it's, yeah, we do work to live, and we do live to work. And I... Like Rio said, I think that's entirely in the eye of the beholder. The system sucks. If you disagree with that, are you under a rock? I don't know. But I think there's a lot of personal responsibility. And like, hey, my situation is shit. How do I make it not that way? And I've said this before. I've said this on the pod before. And I'll say it again. The government is not going to save us. I don't care if you want to be successful, rich, power, whatever it is you want, money, whatever. The government's not going to do it for you. Now, that's a conversation I would love to have with someone who disagrees because that's a good conversation. But yeah, thank you for saying that question in. I hope that kind of touched on hopefully give you some answers. I really like this question. It's a great question. And you, my friend, you know this. I love you. I think you're one of the best people on the planet. I truly believe that. I saw this and I was like, of course I got to include this question. Really one of the best guys I know, truly. Thank you so much for sending in those questions. Guys, there it is. What did we talk about? We talked about having real conversations, having them with respect, how to stay open-minded, what's the line between listening and endorsing someone. And lastly, we tapped it off with the system sucks, working, living the work. How can we change it? How can we view it to make changes? And I love this episode. We have some great topics in here. Thank you guys for sending in these great questions where we just have conversations. One homeboy talking to the next. It's really good. And I really do appreciate it. If you'd like to send in your questions to be on a boss segment or a chatting with you episode, please send those questions into Kyle talks, podcast, gmail.com and put boss P O S S in the subject line. If you enjoy this, please consider, um, sharing the show, share it, uh, at KyleTheHorton on X, Instagram, Twitter, whatever it is, and then review the podcast to help us grow and invite more people into this conversation. I love you guys. One man paid the ultimate price on the cross for you. His name is Jesus, and he loves you more than you understand. And we have a lot to talk about on Pyconomy next week, so I guess I'll see you guys next time on Pyconomy. Peace.